Ignite with Barry Meguiar Podcast

Barry Meguiar 00:03
Welcome to Ignite, everybody. This is a special treat for me. I think most of us know that Gen Zers are making a lot of noise these days. And there are a lot of perceptions about Gen Zers that I found are not true. In fact, to the contrary, I’m finding that they’re not lost, and they’re not bitter, and they’re not angry. They’re, just want to know the truth. And quite frankly, I’m eight years old, I’m a long way from a Gen Zer, but I share a lot of their same thoughts. I’m tired of the hypocrisy of the church, aren’t you? The emptiness of the church, the offerings, the failures, the go and have a good day. I mean, it’s meaningless. Does that do anything? Unfortunately, I mean, you see the statistics. It says they’re more spiritual. I don’t know what that means exactly, but it’s searching truth than their parents. And that’s never happened before in the history of the world that we know of. And statistics have started. So, it’s a huge opportunity. And so, I have been focusing on that. Our team has been focusing on Gen Zers for the last year or so. And as we met with them, and I’ve been warned, they get a short-term attention span, right? Yes, absolutely. And they’re going to be on their phones, don’t get offended, that’s just what they do. And so, I heard all that, but I didn’t experience that. You know, I can speak to older people. My age are 30 years younger, and I can speak to a thousand people at the end, maybe five, maybe ten at most come up and they’re broken and they want to make a difference. When I speak to Gen Zers, they’re all there. I can talk. I just keep talking and I can talk to them for 45 minutes and they’re not on their phones. So, these are my resident experts today. Okay? Kate Bieber, you’re with Turning Point, and you focus on high schoolers.

Speaker 1 02:14
Yes, I’m the Club America Field representative here in Arizona.

Barry Meguiar 02:20
I mean, there’s like a million high schoolers. Absolutely. How would you like to be in charge of reaching out to a million high schoolers? I mean, it’s a troubled group of people, thanks to us. Not their problem, it’s just that we’ve… we’re just we’re having confusing and this is your mission field this is so, we’re going to have a lot of talk with that and then there’s this guy next to you that we all have a lot of fun with, and he thinks he’s 40 years old but he’s actually a ninth grader Ocean Rasso and Ocean, I mean you speak to large groups, you’ve written, where’s your book? Oh yeah. Where’s your book? Somebody bring us a book, okay? Gotta have a book. Thank you, dad. Look at this. Okay, preserving freedom for the next generation. So, author, speaker, huge podcast, a huge following. What’s the name of your show? It’s just your name, right? The Ocean Rasso Show. Google it. You’ll be blown away. I mean, so you’re having a lot of fun, particularly for your age. And your demographic goes all the way up to like 40-year-olds. You’ve got a lot of people following you.

Speaker 2 03:28
Yeah, it’s all about building that coalition, right? Yeah.

Barry Meguiar 03:33
So, I’ll start with you right quick. I mean, high schoolers. There’s all kinds of things you could be doing. I’ve gotten to know you enough. You have a lot of talent. Thank you. But you gravitated to this huge marketplace, this huge need. A million high schoolers in Arizona. So, what brought your focus to high schoolers? Give us some insight into why you love them so much, why you connect with them, and then we’ll go into more about their response and how they reach them all. But how did it all start for you then?

Speaker 1 04:04
Yeah, absolutely. So, there are kind of two reasons. The first is when I graduated from college, you know, I was looking at jobs specifically at Turning Point. And I have two younger brothers, one of which at the time was in high school. So I’ve kind of grown up with, you know, my brothers and their friends. for good speaking to those high school students.

Barry Meguiar 04:23
All right, well, that makes a lot of sense. So you have some personal experience from the home front of what’s going on through their minds. I don’t know, where did your story even begin? I know your dad wanted to give you sound, bringing up and grounding, homeschooling you and all. Talk about that and how did you evolve to being Ocean Rasso.

Speaker 2 04:44
Yeah, well, I’ve been incredibly blessed from such a young age to know the truth. And I think that’s what a lot of my generation lacks is a sound foundation in what is true. They’ve been lied to time and time again, told that they can’t do a lot. And getting on that path of truth and knowing that there’s no such thing as… my truth or your truth, they’re simply the truth and we should seek it out. It’s been such an incredible blessing. Being able to go and read these great works, to be able to read the Bible, to be biblically sounded, you know, it’s something that I’m very honored and blessed to have in my life.

Barry Meguiar 05:15
Isn’t it amazing? Because they are, I find overall, they’re all searching for truth. Yeah. They don’t know what truth. They’re searching in all the wrong places. Yeah, exactly. And unfortunately, about 90% of our churches are woke. So even if they go to church, they’re getting bad information. They want truth. They don’t realize that God’s the author of truth. So, talk about how that is. It’s just amazing to do it. There is one truth. Yeah. How do you get that imparted to them?

Speaker 2 05:44
Well, you know, we as humans tend to think very logically. And that logic has kind of been taken out of my generation, especially what you see in public institutions, you know, public schools, social media, they’ve been lied to a lot, told all these false narratives, and then they find out that these narratives aren’t true, and it kind of sends them on a downward spiral. The biggest issue of my generation is technology. You know, we fear it, we don’t like artificial intelligence, you know, it’s scary, we think it’s taking our jobs. If we only looked at the truth, if we prayed about it, if we understood it better, we’d be foundationally sounded. And I think we can apply that towards all these different fields in my generation specifically, especially when it comes to our faith, that we’ve kind of been searching, like you said, down all these wrong paths, and it’s time to course correct and kind of blare the truth to my generation, because it’s what they need.

Barry Meguiar 05:36
Today’s truth is being explained to us a lot of different ways, even from the pulpits, that are not scriptural truth. It’s crazy. So, it seems to me that understanding scripture today, it’s almost, and it’s going to become much more important as we go forward. But if you don’t know scriptural truth, these lies come to us, right? And they seem logical. And sometimes they even misquote scripture to make us believe it. And so, I mean, they’re just lost in this quagmire. How do you get through to high schoolers where there’s so much going on? How do you pierce the darkness? How do you get and connect with them to what real truth is being Jesus Christ?

Speaker 1 07:20
Yeah, so I think when you look at college students, right, they’re so set in their ways. You know, they’ve gone through high school. They’ve had a little bit of the real world. You know, they’re kind of off on their own, if you will. But high school students, they’re so impressionable. So, me and my role.

Barry Meguiar 07:34
So they’re more fertile ground? Yeah. You have a better, the college ones are getting a little more set. Yes. So that I could, okay.

Speaker 1 07:40
Exactly. High school students, you can speak to them about the truth. They’re pliable.

Barry Meguiar 07:44
You still have opportunity to get in there. They’re rushing them all. You see their minds of Bush. Yeah. Get in there so that they can see what truth is. Okay. And how fast do they respond? Do they understand? I mean, how hard is that to get that message through to them?

Speaker 1 08:00
Yeah, I mean, it’s very different for each student, right? So, whether they grew up in a Christian household or, you know, depending on who their teachers are, a lot of them want to know the truth. They are eager to learn about the Bible and, you know, they want to build their walk with Christ. So, I found it easy to speak to them.

Barry Meguiar 08:15
Do you get barriers? I mean, do you get a percentage of them? Just, I don’t want to hear that? Or do you feel like just, do you get what kind of percentage? Or what percentage of that would you say are really open to truth?

Speaker 1 08:26
Yeah, yeah. So the ones that are involved with turning… know, they want to know about it, but then we do have students.

Barry Meguiar 08:33
That doesn’t count. They’re already halfway there. If they’re not involved in return to point per se, but they’re just searching, what percentage that would be are open and what percentage, maybe it’s not a fair question, but I’m just thinking how many are, and I don’t argue with fools. I just don’t argue. If they want to argue, they can go argue with somebody else. Because there’s too many that are really open for truth. So, in the high school world, what percentage would you pursue? Are really open to hear or searching or generally searching.

Speaker 1 09:03
Yeah and it’s different for each school in each area I go into so I don’t know if I could give a hard percentage.

Barry Meguiar 09:08
So, demographics have something to do with that?

Speaker 1 09:11
Yeah I do give a lot of credit to the students who you know we’ll table on campus and there’s quite a few high school students that will come up to the table and you know they’ll be like okay you know what is this and they’ll they’ll ask questions you know maybe not in the best way they’re trying to challenge us but then you know we do have students that come up and they’ll all angry about what we’re doing and they’re you know trying to troll us in a way so I don’t know if I have like a percentage but you know.

Barry Meguiar 09:35
There’s obviously the attacks of the enemy is messing with their minds and and did so much demonizing Christians of all types of descriptions so they there’s got to be a bit of that going on that they just think it’s the natural actions to push away but but you get through that pretty easily or is it hard?

Speaker 1 09:55
Yeah, I would definitely say it’s more difficult with the students who just put up those walls and they don’t even want to listen. So that is really hard to get through. And, you know, we’re not going to fix it in an afternoon. I’m not going to, you know, preach the whole Bible to them in one day. But, you know, even just like having a 30 second conversation just to kind of get their mind going and they can go talk to their friends, parents, teachers about it, you know, and it’s one step at a time. So, I do think, you know, they’ll slowly come around. but it’s definitely not in one afternoon’s work.

Barry Meguiar 10:27
Yeah, and folks, you’ve heard me say before, I don’t argue with fools. I’m not into apologetics. There are some who are. You’re great at apologetics. Yes, it’s one of my passions. I enjoy it. I would not want to debate you. But I just find that there’s so many people that are just searching. Yeah. And so, I’d rather, I only have so much time. Yeah. and we each only have so much time so you kind of cast your breath in the water and when they come And I don’t have enough time to get to them. So why should I spend some of that time with people that are hard? They just want to argue. And there are those who just want to argue to argue. They just want to prove you. They don’t want the truth. They just want to throw you off, right? I mean, you’re the apologist. You see that.

Speaker 2 11:17
Well, I mean, there’s kind of two extremes in my generation. There are those who are extremely apathetic, where they don’t care anymore. They don’t care about the biblical truth. They don’t care about getting involved. It’s heartbreaking. Exactly. But then on the opposite end of the spectrum. there are those who are so emotional and radicalized, like what you said, it’s kind of hard to speak with them. So, my target audience is those who are empathetic, because we can bring them back, and then those who are kind of stuck in the middle, because it’s kind of a constant battle, I think, in our generation to grab the attention of the youth that’s ultimately what we’re working towards.

Barry Meguiar 11:50
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so, you could speak as one of them, I’m having great fun, I’m having great success and I’m 83 years old okay yeah and my team said you know we need to deal with this I said yeah, I want to, I don’t know if my message will reach him out my message is love on people. Yea. And, and the reality that he loves on us he’s there every moment and, and so we said well let’s meet some forums and stuff and all of a sudden I realized and they’re. In fact, I think the message I have is for Gen Zers. I tell you the truth and comment on this, if you will. I think the only hope for America are Gen Zers. I don’t think the older crowd, they’re just apathetic. And we can do all types of things to reach them, and they say yes, and they go right on, and their apathetic lives are surrounded by people going to hell, and they don’t care. How is that possible? But Gen Zers are on the edge and searching and questioning and angry sometimes, but that’s good. They’re in the game. They want to know. So, comment on that, if you will. What would be your perspective on that?
Speaker 2 12:58
Well, first and foremost, I think my generation is we’ve been fed the knowledge, right? And knowledge is just facts. It’s easy to understand. We don’t have wisdom. And that is what we’re seeking. And I think that’s why a lot of people are gravitating towards what you have to say, towards what the older generation has to say, because they want to pass down that wisdom. They want to understand that wisdom. They want to preserve it and continue it on. That’s what America was built on, this truth, this Christian, Judeo-Christian truth. It’s inescapable. It is truth. And we’ve been lacking it in our society. It’s kind of as though we’ve taken out the foundation and expected the tower to stay standing. Yeah. And our generation’s course correcting, trying to put back that foundation, trying to get that wisdom from the older generations to do it properly and methodically. And we’re just hungry for the truth now more than ever.

Barry Meguiar 13:48
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that true in high schoolers specifically, would you say, that they’re really on a search for truth?

Speaker 1 13:55
Yeah, I definitely would say so. You know, they want to… There’s this whole… I feel like I see students coming around where they want to challenge people, right, whether it’s out of good intention or bad intention. but they really want to challenge specifically their teachers, you know, their parents. They question everything. They’re asking so many questions, and they ask me questions, you know, nine times out of ten, I don’t have the answer for it. But it’s really inspiring to even just, like, see those questions in their brains.

Barry Meguiar 14:24
But when they hear the truth. Then you have their attention. Yes. I mean, because it’s not just man’s truth. It’s documented truth. You go to the Word of God. Isn’t the Word of God amazing? Speaks to all of it. So, as you might guess, my audience and these podcasts are not necessarily Gen Zers, okay? So, an older crowd. I’m kind of one example, but can you speak to our older audience? That older audience may be 30 years old or 40 or 50 or what have you. But what would you say to an older audience of what they can do to make a difference with Gen Zers to give them the truth that we’re talking about? What suggestions would you give older folk on how to join with you in doing what you’re already doing?

Speaker 2 15:12
Yeah. Well, I think it would just be to have a conversation. You know, I travel all around, I speak to my generation quite often, and it’s something that we’ve lacked in our society now. We don’t have dialogue, we don’t have debate, we don’t have a conversation. We’re lacking that human element of passing along the truth and wisdom and knowledge. You know, my generation, we’ve been on the phones, on technology so much that it’s kind of, we kind of gotten tired of that. And so I see it everywhere I go, they’re eager to just talk to someone, to understand to comprehend to gain that wisdom and knowledge they’re so eager just to have a simple conversation because now it’s become dangerous in our society to have a conversatio. Who would have thought? And conversation is what built america right think of the constitutional convention. Think of how our founders created our great constitutional republic, it was through dialogue and debate and a simple conversation.

Barry Meguiar 16:05
There was a lot of debate, wasn’t there? Yes, quite a bit. Finally they said, oh yeah, we need to bring God into the conversation. And then all of a sudden the debate got a little more focused. It’s amazing the history of this country that we live in. Any thoughts on how older folk can resonate? Can have conversation with high schoolers.

Speaker 1 16:27
Yeah, that’s the big thing, especially. And then bringing, you know, high school, college, you know, younger, young adults to church, you know, to ministry, whether that’s going to be through a young life group or a Bible study or something like that. So putting, you know, young adults into that setting is, I think, really going to bring out their faith and then want to have them speak up more. So, I mean, besides, you know, from conversations that Ocean was speaking about is, you know. Bringing them to church, that’s the biggest thing. And having a mentor is also huge. So whether that’s a podcaster or just somebody in your local community too, is being able to speak to them and just listening to what they have to say is so important.

Barry Meguiar 17:12
I would say I have an advantage because I’m old. Okay, so they think I’m out of it. Okay. And if they’re ethnic at all, he’s an old white guy who’s an oppressor and I hate them. And I actually, I’m not bothered by that because I destroy it immediately by loving on them. And so, I go on my way when I see them. Any option I get. And I find something to comment on, you know, and start. And I’m fine. It’s a small grouping, a small sampling. I don’t have any turnaways. They light up that I’m paying. They can’t believe I actually care about them. It’s because they don’t normally think we’re just going on doing our thing. We could care less about them. When we care, they’re hungry. And maybe somebody of age has some wisdom there. I think it’s a huge opportunity that we have. We should not just be as the older folks in our population. We’re not even paying attention to our old age group, but particularly we’re not paying attention to the most important part of our population that can really make a difference. And just reaching out and loving on them. You know, Jesus said, they’ll know you’re my disciple by your love. It’s not hard to love them. And it shocks them too. It shocks them. They don’t expect you to care. Why should that shock them? We’ve always loved our youth and now there’s this chasm, right? And when you bridge that and just love on them, we’re all suffering for lack of love. Everybody’s wanting to be loved. And particularly, I mean, I get the stories of so many young people and they’re not loved at home. They’re not feeling love anywhere. They’re just lost and searching and mad and reaching out. And somebody comes and loves them. It’s fun. Oh, yeah, absolutely. For me, it’s like sport. I mean, people say, you know, I don’t know how to do it. They get all in a knot. It’s just the most fun thing there is to do is to share your faith with anybody. Just love on people and let the Holy Spirit do the rest, right? Definitely. Yeah. On a typical day. So how would you reach out? You’re listening to God, obviously, and give you opportunities. Do you have any particular experiences, conversations that pop up that would give us insight today into the mind of a high schooler?

Speaker 1 19:34
Yeah, wow. I mean, gosh, if you want to talk about different opinions that they have, we could be here all day. Yeah, but the biggest thing that I see with high schoolers nowadays is just… spending time with God. So, I see a lot more like intentionality behind it. So high schoolers, you know, before or after school sitting down and praying to God, that has been astronomical. It’s really blown up. And then I see a lot of communities too in high schools that they come together and they do prayer circles. They do, you know, prayer at the flagpole instead of, you know, walkouts that was happening this past semester. So that’s a really big thing coming together. But that’s the conversation that students have is really prayer together. That’s good. Yeah.

Speaker 2 20:19
Well, you got to plant that seed first and foremost. Yes. And then you continue to grow it. So I think with my generation, being as lost as we were in the beginning, you know, being the most addicted, you know, the most depressed generation. Having that opportunity to come to something that’s truthful, like you said, love, unconditional love. You know, if we don’t get in the household, we go to the church. And what I see in my generation a lot is they’ll start off not knowing. They’ll start off saying, oh, I’m an atheist. I’m an agnostic because I’ve been around Christianity and I don’t like it. And all of a sudden they see…

Barry Meguiar 21:00
Why? Can I stop here right there? why do they not like Christianity? Because I know that’s true.hy do you think that’s in their minds? Because that’s a big deal.

Speaker 2 21:09
Yeah, well, you said earlier the false teachers in the church. They’ve been around kind of a shell of Christianity, and it’s been manipulated so much. So, where it’s, you know, they think all Christians hate, all Christians are oppressors. Kind of this false narrative that everything that’s old is evil. And… when they finally come to the truth that’s not what Christianity is at all you know take away the mask lift the veil it’s something different and it’s just that moment where they learn that and then all of a sudden they’re hooked and they want.

Barry Meguiar 21:45
Are you hearing what he’s saying? That’s how you’re, that’s how you appear to them, okay? A lot of you, you know there’s there’s there’s nothing happening there and you’re you’ve just you’ve you’ve just they’ve dismissed you and you’ve dismissed them But you’re the adult, right? You have responsibility. We have responsibility. And to reach out to this fresh audience of people that are inquisitive and really wanting to know and have all these wrong, I think it’s a huge opportunity where they see us that way and we break through and express exactly the opposite.

Speaker 2 22:22
And I think the issue has been that the older generations kind of want to cloak their Christianity or their undercover Christians. They don’t talk about it. That’s real scripture. Yeah, well, we go to church on Sunday and we leave it there. We don’t bring it home. We don’t bring it to communities. We don’t bring it to the schools. We don’t bring it to the, we leave it there. And so, what my generation wants to do is we don’t want to just leave it at church. We want to pick it up and bring it around with us. And we don’t want to be cloaked Christians.

Barry Meguiar 22:49
Boy, you’re ringing bells with me. Folks, most of us go to church. A lot of us go to great churches. Only about 10% of churches preach salvation. Do you know that? Only 10% of our, a few did a huge study, like studied 50,000 servants. Only 10% even mentioned salvation. But even those that do and those that have altar calls, at the end they say, now go out and have a good day. Or go out and be Christ-like. Go out and honor God. That’s not the message of the church, folks. It’s not. For those coming forward, you should say, Romans 10:9. When you know in your heart and you confess with your mouth, and it’s not just one time when you get saved. Confession is made into salvation. That’s when you believe it. You should be encouraging. Pastors, if you’re listening, you need to encourage your people not just to go out and be a good day. You know, most people just think being a good person is being a Christian. They think you can go to heaven. Most people think being a good person, you can go to heaven. Yeah. I mean, most evangelicals believe that. I mean, how far we’ve fallen. But to be a witness is, forgive me, I want to hear what you have. say with this this whole thing of we have responsibility folks. We have responsibility to not just live it. They’re lost. Most of them are not going to church and they’re going to stay lost. Somebody tells them God loves them and they explain they understand that first and foremost by you loving on them. asking questions about what what a beautiful outfit or what you know you like sports or you there’s a million ways to engage. Yeah. And just and love on them just for the secondarily to get them into the Lord. First just let it be without agenda just love on them, right? And that love opens up and then they start asking questions and they want to know. And so, forgive me, I’m here to interview you. But you hit a hot button when you start getting in that conversation where people are not, they’re not taking advantage of it. They’re just going on and not living.

Speaker 2 25:00
Yeah, well, I think a lot of kids in my generation, a lot of the youth, they’ve not seen that side of Christianity. They’ve only seen, it’s funny that we have so many people who aren’t Christians kind of painting the narrative of Christianity. saying, well, Christians only say this. Christians only believe this. They won’t love you. They want to condemn you. And so to be able to see that opposite side. We’re good at condemning. Yes. We’re really good at it. We’ve gotten that one down. We don’t know how to love. And that is what we need to bring back into Christianity.

Barry Meguiar 25:28
Oh, man. Preach it. Preach it. Preach it. You want to add anything to that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 25:31
Praying over people too, that’s like a big thing. You know, I go to the grocery store and I’ll see someone, you know, praying over a homeless person or praying over somebody in the parking lot. And there’s quite a few people that are walking by giving looks and not just like interested looks, but judgmental looks. I think it’s beautiful. I start tearing up when I see that. I’m like, oh my gosh, I want to hop on in. So, you know, just praying over people, I think is just step one into getting, you know, Gen Z students to, you know, come to Christ and be confident in their faith.

Barry Meguiar 26:03
Yeah, well it’s the Holy Spirit. It’s God’s love flowing, and particularly when you’re praying for them, God’s love is flowing. We just tend to keep it for ourselves. Okay, I know I’m loved by God. That’s just stopping it. It’s about letting it flow through us, through the branches, so we bear fruit, right? We had a waitress last night, and we just had a great conversation. We just prayed for her right on the spot. It was a very emotional time. And you find out most of the time when you ask people, can I pray for you, they’ll say yes. You wouldn’t think they would, but you’re almost… trying to think of what I’ve ever been turned down. I don’t know if I ever have. They want it.

Speaker 1 26:39
They don’t want to say it out. They don’t want to bring it up to you, you know, because they’re so lost.

Barry Meguiar 26:46
You bring it to them. And then we have all these fears where they’ll think I’m a fool or, you know, impressing or whatever. And that’s, God just, we call it the nudge. You know, we are in our ministry. Follow the nudge with nudge in you to pray for them, whatever. Follow the nudge. You live in the fog. You live in the favor of God. God will bless you. Ignite your life. You know, the three of us are enjoying ignited lives. I wrote this book, you know, Ignite Your Life, because it’s secondary about winning them and primarily about winning us. And when you challenge the high schoolers and Gen Zers to start doing that as well, that’s like self-discipling. Yeah. Discipleship programs, there’s a million of them out there, but everybody knows I should be in there if they’re a Christian. I know I should be on my knees and I know I should be in the Word, but I’m so busy. God, you understand. Yeah. But when you’re in the game and you focus… more than your studies or more than your job or more whatever’s in your family, but most importantly, to move everybody closer to Jesus. That’s the only thing that’s eternal. When you do that, then He blesses everything else. I mean, you guys are living examples. Oh, if I’d only had the knowledge of God that you guys have now. I mean, you’re inspiring us.

Speaker 2 27:50
Well, you know, when you talk about being busy, I think that’s a major issue in my generation that we kind of want to get away from. The average time that we spend on our phones is eight hours a day. Eight hours a day. Wow. Is that across the board, all ages? Across the board with Gen Z, yeah. That’s a popular statistic, yeah. Wow. Eight hours a day, it’s the norm. And so, to set that aside, to kind of let that go, and to get back to the Bible, and to just surrender it all. It’s a whole different thing that we’ve never really felt before.

Barry Meguiar 28:33
And by the way, most of you don’t even realize that. Do you realize the phone? You can get everything you want from the Bible and commentaries. It’s all there. You just ask the question. You know, it pops right up. It’ll give you that scripture and 16 different versions and commentaries and whatever. I have a whole library in my office. It’s a big library. I don’t use it anymore. I use my phone. Yeah. So, they’re already on their phones, but when they start asking questions, it’s the deep questions. What is God? Who is God? What is it? Is there a hell? It pops up, doesn’t it? With clarity. It’s amazing.

Speaker 1 29:03
And that’s why like AI, you know, people are so scared that AI is going to take over our world. If you utilize it correctly, you know, using it for the Bible, getting those fast answers, you know, it’s going to fit to the character of, you know, Gen Z students nowadays, as long as you’re using it correctly.

Barry Meguiar 29:19
Yeah. AI is not evil. Like a gun is not evil. It’s going to be used by you. I think it’s going to be the Antichrist tool eventually. But right now, there’s so much good we use AI and the knowledge that comes to us. It may start, it is already giving some perverted messages and giving scriptures not correctly. Again, it goes back to you have to know, have to understand the Bible. You have to be in the Word to know that’s true and that isn’t, right? With the guidance of the Holy Spirit. You guys are having fun. Yeah, it’s all great. You really are. I mean, you’re just overwhelming. me when we were at an event the other day and all of a sudden you start just pouring out. I’ve got to get these on to share that. Again, we just do this for a short while. Anything in particular you’d like to mention at this point about Gen Zers in general? Everybody should know this is the heart of a Gen Zer and this is how we reach Gen Zers.

Speaker 1 30:17
Yeah, I’ll say this one thing I think it’s so easy to give Gen Zers so much hate and that they’re you know they’re gonna ruin the next generation and you know they’re addicted to their phones and you know yeah sure some of that might be true but if anything you know, we’re so hungry to learn more, and I think that takes a lot to pull out of us. But, you know, we need people like you that are going to, you know, talk to us and communicate and, you know, want to even just listen to us. So, you know, it takes, yeah, it just takes that extra step just to, you know, as we were talking about, just to communicate, have dialogue is such an important thing.

Barry Meguiar 30:59
It’s not hard. It’s not. It’s not rocket science. You don’t have to be a Bible scholar. No. Yeah, everybody has. These excuses. Oh, I can’t do that. I don’t know how. You just let the Holy Spirit. Luke 12:12 says the Holy Spirit will give you the word to say when you need them. And I’ve been doing that, Karen. I’ve been doing that for 50 years. And you can’t keep up with these conversations. The questions they’re going to ask where they’re going to go. But when you know the Holy Spirit is always going to be there to help you through that. At the end, it’s always a wow. That was God. And that ignites our lives, right? I mean, it’s just amazing.

Speaker 1 31:28
Well, you know, I think that our generation is going to be radicalized in one direction. We can either go, you know, far this way or far that way. So, we can either be radicalized against the truth, against Christ, against the Bible. Or we could be radicalized in a direction that is for Christ, that is yearning for the truth, that is biblically sound. And so, my goal is to bring all those people that have been so far radicalized towards, you know, the lies. Yeah. and to bring them around. And to bring those people who are… in the middle of the road trying to decide what is truth, who are so lost that they can’t find the truth, to bring them to that. Because you see it all the time. You’re either going to be marching in the streets, burning cities down, or you’re going to be standing around the flagpole praying for the Lord to intervene and build up our great society.

Barry Meguiar 32:21
In that group thing situation where they’re protesting, and they all seem so evil. Yeah. You get any one of them on their own. Yes. It’s a whole different story. It’s easy to follow a group. Yeah. What the group think is and what the individual is thinking. And you find every one of them, those that hurt the most are hurting the most. Yeah. You know, they hurt other people. But we can’t just turn them off. They’re lost. It should break our hearts. They’re lost. But by the grace of God, that couldn’t have been me. And it’s just so simple. The point is, I just try to bring out through all this is how fun it is, how easy it is. We don’t have to be Bible scholars. I’m not a Bible scholar. I pedal car wax. What do I know? But I can love on people. And love conquers all the way I see it. It just conquers all. And you’re loving your constituents so well. God’s loving them through you. And the whole experience of that. Yes. It’s just a thrilling way to live. You gotta be excited about every day. Oh, of course.

Speaker 2 33:22
Every day is a blessing and every opportunity is a blessing. So yeah, plant that seed. It only takes one conversation. Yeah. One conversation.

Barry Meguiar 33:30
I’ll put your book one more time. You’ve got Andy Biggs, Congressman Andy Biggs, who’s running for governor in Arizona. He’s behind you. Eric Metaxas, Eric’s sat right where you’re sitting right now. We’re good friends and he’s the academic and the pontificator and he loves you. Barry Goldwater, the old guard, you know, Barry Goldwater Jr. You’ve got all these people and, of course, Charlie Kirk. We’re all living in a bit of his legacy, you in particular, and you were close to him. But God bless you guys for what you’re doing. I mean, it’s just, it’s incredibly important. There’s no other part of our society that is as important or has the potential of Gen Zers. Let’s read through the folks. Would you join us in praying? Father God, let’s all pray to God right now. How many Gen Zers are there? We’re talking like ages 14 to 30, something like that. Is that kind of a… How many are there in total? Do we know? Millions, yeah. You don’t know that question. I don’t know. Oh, let me get my phone out. I’ll Google it right now. But it’s tens of millions. Yeah. And those tens of millions can impact 330 million faster than anybody I know. With their Zeal. Yeah. And with their quest for knowledge on fire, I mean, you see it in front of your eyes. And they’re off the hook. They’re ready. Let’s just pray right to God. We don’t normally end our podcast this way, but I just feel moved. Whatever that number is, 30 million Gen Zers, they’re lost. They haven’t had the background I’ve had. I grew up in church Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday night. I have… I have no excuse to whom much is given. We see these two young people here that are so full of you, so full of the word, and so are being used so greatly by you. May we all do that. May we all focus. I pray that our audience who’s listening to us right now, yes, we move everybody every day closer to Jesus, but in particular, when we have those opportunities and they happen every day, God, help us run to them and hug them and love on them. and allow God’s love to flow through each one of us to change their lives because they can change the world. They’re our only hope for America. I’m convinced of it. The only hope we have for America, we’re going to rechange America and make, yes, indeed, make America Christian again. It’s going to come from Gen Zers. I pray this brief little conversation we’re having will ignite all of us to do that every day better and better. God, we pray for the Gen Zers of America. They’ll rise up and hear your voice and respond. And help us become Christian again as this great nation. Father God, we give you praise. Thank you for that. Thank you for giving us this wonderful time with these special books. In Jesus’ name, amen. Thank you, guys. Amen. Tip of the iceberg. Again, I’ll pitch it. You don’t have a book, but he does. Turning Point. Thank God for Turning Point. Amen. And the impact that Turning Point is having on the youth of America. Praise God. Thank you, guys. God bless you.