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Episode 4

Your Pain for God’s Glory

“If a guy without arms and legs can be used by God to be His hands and feet, then God can use any willing heart.” Hear Nick Vujicic’s amazing testimony and how God can take our broken pieces and do something beautiful to be a witness – for His glory!

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“If a guy without arms and legs can be used by God to be His hands and feet, then God can use any willing heart.” Hear Nick Vujicic’s amazing testimony and how God can take our broken pieces and do something beautiful to be a witness – for His glory!

Host Barry Meguiar is a car guy and businessman who hosted the popular TV show, Car Crazy, on Discovery Networks for 18 years. He loves cars, but he loves Jesus even more!

Hear from guest Nick Vujicic who is an Australian-American born without arms or legs who has become a world-renowned speaker, New York Times best-selling author, coach, and entrepreneur. Nick is an anti-bullying advocate, has created an innovative Social Emotional Learning (SEL) Curriculum called “Attitude Is Altitude,” is the founder and CEO of the non-profit ministry Life Without Limbs, and hosts “The Nick Vujicic Podcast.”

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Episode Transcript

Barry Meguiar 

Hi, everybody, welcome to this episode of Ignite. And I gotta tell you, of all the people we will interview on this podcast we have with us today, the one that I most wanted more than anything else, and you just got to my doorstep. How did this happen? Just he is the poster guy okay for get over it. Whatever’s going on get over it. I talked to so many Christians sharing their faith that they Oh, you know, they just can’t quite get there. They’ve got a hangnail or something. You know, in comparison is meaningless. I know, we have big problems in life. But it’s so easy to let those problems consume our lives and we’re not going to share our faith that we if we’re going to be focused on that. Okay. And I, as most of you know, I come to that from not an academic standpoint, the word is complete it just overwhelming and, and how we counted all joy. But I lost a daughter two years ago. Everybody expects you to smile, you know, I have a pretty good life. I say thank You, Lord, you’ve just given me everything I have is yours. But people expect me to smile. But 10 years ago, when I was in a hospital, and I was dying, and the doctors gave up on me, I was still smiling. In fact, I would say okay, God, if I do die, I go to die trying to winning as many people as I can do as possible. And when I got to the hospital, I counted 23 doctors and nurses that I’d had serious conversations with about God. But I often and for years have Nick, I’ve used Nick as an example. I mean, how can you have no arms and no legs and be the happiest guy in the planet? I don’t know anybody happier than, what you have is just contagious. And so you’re a great example of what I often talk about that is whatever you’re going through David Wilkerson preached a great message many years ago, my dear friend, right song, wrong side. When the children of Israel got to the river, they were happy till they got down there. Then all sudden, they started beating up on Moses who couldn’t have died back know what you’re going to have us die out here in the middle of nowhere, to put a staff in the water to go across the other side. And they sing, right? They do a monument and they sing and Dave’s message was right song wrong side. You got to sing at the right side when you’re in the midst of the problem. I tell people don’t waste it while you got that your testimony, your offer, your ability to share, what it means to have trust in God is on steroids. And you have a lifetime. I mean my gracious.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Well God bless you too. And thank you for being such a, I mean by the grace and mercy of God, just an incredible testimony of his faithfulness and graciousness to us and so 100% you know, like Johnny Erickson Tada right one of the other great giants.

 

Barry Meguiar 

I use the two of you often. I use Johnny a lot as well. She says God ordained it that I that I had this accident because how could I possibly reach the people I’ve reached for the Lord had I not had this accident.

 

Nick Vujicic 

You know and and the way that people just frame it in going back to Scripture, knowing that what the enemy tried to use so bad God can turn into good but Johnny to me is one of the greatest examples of those people who radiate the joy of Jesus even in the times where she’s in unspeakable pain and she’s singing and just the joy is oozing from her.

 

Barry Meguiar 

When she leads us to worship

 

Nick Vujicic 

She is amazing.

 

Barry Meguiar 

That’s Spirit led worship.

 

Nick Vujicic 

So praise God and you know a lot of people that suffering is you know, since 2020 and COVID and depression, fear, anxiety and trying to say okay, when is it go back to normal? When do we go to church? Well wait a second. Our joy is not about if we go to a church I’m not saying not to go to church if you go to a church but really that personal friendship with God you know that’s it. Because God is good and look, you and I had bad days still, right? I mean I went, I go through ups and downs we all go through ups and downs but in the end you know when when you know that that God is in control and you know you’re in circumstances that are way beyond your plan, your intellect, your strength is when you like yeah God I fully trust you.

 

Barry Meguiar 

We’ve been through so many things that when things go wrong now Karen and I say okay, God, what are you up to now? Have we got another lesson learned. Sometimes You teach me the same lesson over and over. I thought I learned that lesson. And then the other one, okay, who are you bringing into my life? Because of this? I got a flat tire. I got a meeting, I’ve done this twice. I got a meeting I’m like I’m already late. Really God? Okay, I look around, okay, the guy is gonna help me ffrom AAA he’s gonna get Jesus. And then people stop and then all of a sudden you’re talking to somebody you never would have talked to them before. And all of a sudden you just say something simple like, you know, oh, God always looks out to me. He’s gonna bring me the best AAA guy in the world. We’re gonna have a great time and God works at all. I just fun with it. And you have these ways of offering but you you have a lifetime of this. First stop, can we just timeout. Talk about it. This is a lifetime. You were born this way.

 

Nick Vujicic 

I was born this way.

 

Barry Meguiar 

Some people there may how many people know you like 2 billion people?

 

Nick Vujicic 

I have been on television, a 2 billion. A billion people in China and a billion outside.

 

Barry Meguiar 

2 billion people know who you are. 2 billion people would love to be sitting here listening to this. Okay. 2 billion people and we get to do this. Is this cool?

 

Nick Vujicic 

Now, this is cool to be with you.

 

Barry Meguiar 

So explain, we got a lot to talk about. But there may be somebody has earmuffs on or something. There must be somebody out there. Maybe somebody out there that doesn’t know your story. Can we tell that part of it? Because it’s so amazing.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Yeah, look, for those of you don’t know, I was born in Melbourne, Australia in 1982. I’m a PK. My dad actually with my mom started a church 11 months before I was born. Immigrants-

 

Barry Meguiar 

Now that’s the toughest challenge. Being a PK is almost harder and growing up serving the Lord was harder than not having arms and legs.

 

Nick Vujicic 

It’s certainly a disability. I tell people, I got two disabilities. Right, you know, so the whole church was wondering, why would God allow the pastor’s son to be born this way? No medical reason why. Wasn’t the lead of mine. My mom didn’t take any morning sickness pills. She was a nurse herself and so she knew what to do, what not to do in pregnancy. But my parents were immigrants out of communism, Yugoslavia, my mom was sick six, my dad was 15. And they went through refugee camps. And they eventually got on a boat to Australia with nothing and started from scratch. They had a son and daughter after me who have arms or legs. So it was just knowing that Nick had no arms, no legs.

 

Barry Meguiar 

Maybe He didn’t love them enough. He didn’t love them as much as he loves you.

 

Nick Vujicic 

But you know, like, I don’t take it to the extreme to say this is the way that God ordained it as much as to say, it’s not good to have no limbs. It’s there’s nothing I mean, it’s fun, because I can get out of the Ford GT really easy.

 

Barry Meguiar 

Which we just did.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Which we just did. It was so cool.

 

Barry Meguiar 

And by the way, that was 25 miles over, we’re just a little faster. But I figured, you know, if he pulls us over, you know, he pulls over, I can see, really? I mean, do you see who my passenger is? You’re not really gonna give me a ticket?

 

Nick Vujicic 

Me, right? They’re not gonna handcuff me. But yeah, look, it is difficult to have no arms, no legs. And there are there are seasons of my life where we’re especially where my second son was, was a baby. And I couldn’t help him and I couldn’t help my wife. And you’re like, oh, man, I just wish I had hands to pick up my kids. And and those moments are there, you know. So I’m not saying that it’s easy, or you know, this is it, I’ve embraced it. We all have ups and downs with different challenges and many other challenges when especially on the battlefield for the Lord, you’re generally in the kingdom of generally in the army of the kingdom and you’re standing in front of the gates of hell and redirecting traffic, right? It gets hot. But what we must understand is that whatever circumstances we’re in, God can change it. But there’s a purpose in it. And God may change your heart if he doesn’t change the circumstance. Now, do I have a pair of shoes in my closet? In case God says yes, absolutely. I’ve seen I’ve seen miracles. I’ve seen 13 miracles. I’ve seen exorcisms I’ve actually seen demons walking through walls. I’ve met with the witch doctors in Africa and seeing the power of God. Now could God now give me arms legs? Sure. Am I waiting for them? No, I’m not waiting for I don’t need arms and legs. And that’s the greatest thing of all that even when you don’t get a miracle, you can still be one in the hands of God knowing that God can take your broken pieces and do something beautiful. So something of which I had no idea of when I was a kid, went to school was the first special needs child to be integrated into the education system of Australia. So bullying was prevalent. I was the most uncommon kid and still today, still today, they’re even worse. And so from age eight to 12, I went through depression, attempted suicide at age 10. Because I was I mean, I had a loving family. My mom and dad loved me. You’re beautiful, God has a plan for you. We’re going to be here don’t worry about what anyone else says and you know, all these kinds of things. But it wasn’t enough. I wanted to know why. Why me? What was the plan? What was the purpose? How could any good come from this. And so I convinced myself that I’d never get married. Even if I got married can’t even hold my wife’s hand. I’d never be a good father, how can I hold hold my kids when they’re crying? Not going to get a job never going to be independent, just a burden to everyone, I might as well disappear. And so I tried to drown myself at age 10. Hated God, didn’t talk to Him for four years straight. I knew something was missing. And I wanted to believe in heaven, who wouldn’t want to believe in heaven? Who wouldn’t want to believe in a loving God? But when you don’t understand that, and where is He? It’s confusing. No matter how old you are, right? And so for me, I decided to stay because I saw this visual in my mind, thinking of my mum and my dad crying up my grave wishing they could have done something more. And it was with that visual in my mind that I’m like, okay wait, they don’t deserve that. So I decided to stay. Age 13 played soccer, hurt my little foot. I couldn’t walk for three weeks, I felt freakin disabled. I played soccer and I did this really cool matrix jumping up in the Karate Kid kick kind of style. Hey, this ball bent my foot backwards on itself, sprained my foot, I couldn’t walk. And felt disabled for the very first time of like, this sucks, right? And I’m looking at the ceiling and I’m like, man, I will never complain about not having no arms and legs again. I’m gonna so be thankful for this.

 

Barry Meguiar 

The studio here in the house is downstairs and I thought how was he gonna get in? No problem. Here he comes walking down the stairs. I don’t need anyone to carry me down the stairs.

 

Nick Vujicic 

So I don’t want to break an army when someone’s carrying me down, right? So I go downstairs, I get people to carry me up. I’m smart, right. But going up is a little bit difficult. But, but age 13 was when the first kind of pillar of an ah-ha moment of like, k, it sucks. But it could be a lot worse. And then at age 15-  Right when you’re going in adolescence, that’s when most kids just completely fall apart. And they just everybody’s complaining and making them feel stupid and all that. And this is when you start turning the corner.  I think because I already had a fast track of maturity to process what my life looked like, as a younger kid. Because I wouldn’t be really able to integrate fully into the activities of my peers as much as then just, you know, converse with teachers and adults, right? And try to think about wait a second, you know, like, what is my life look like? So I think that was fast track that way. But that’s a great point. Age 15, was at a Bible study at church had to go to church. And, uh, and I was reading John chapter nine in the group. And Jesus was asked, Why was the blind man born blind? And I’m like, whoa, if Jesus was here on Earth, that would be like, very similar of a question. Why was he born disabled? Same question that the world couldn’t answer me all these years. Jesus said it was done so that the works of God will be revealed through him. But before we get there that people say well, is it because of his parents? Like punishing? Or is it that the blind man had sin and there in born blind? You know what that is reincarnation. So reincarnation and these other religions that a new age, aren’t new age, I mean, the old age, right? We’re gonna understand that. And so even back then, was it of a previous life that he was then punished? Well, we know that if God punishes for our sin, the wages of sin is death. So He ain’t punishing us. We know that God blesses obedience, sure, and sacrifice sure. But if He really punished us for sin, we wouldn’t be breathing. So that’s God, okay. So we know it wasn’t a punishment. What I love about this Barry, is Jesus didn’t set the blind man down and say, Hey, my name is JC, I’m the healer. I’m going to spit in the dirt. And when I’m through with the facial, and putting the mud on your face, you’re gonna see. Like, he didn’t get the blueprint of the plan. Okay, and that was my point. Like, I want to know your plan. It’s interesting, right? Where we want if God if God if you just made a little bit more sense, then we trust you. But really, if He gave us the blueprint of our of the plan that he had for us, where would faith need to be exercised? If we knew it, then we wouldn’t have to trust and so trust and love the Lord with all your heart.

 

Barry Meguiar 

timeout.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Okay.

 

Barry Meguiar 

Timeout.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Yeah.

 

Barry Meguiar 

There’s a ton of people watching this right now.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Yeah.

 

Barry Meguiar 

That are in a spot of some sort of difficulty. And they’re asking why  And they and they don’t see God. They can’t look they you have to look through everything through God’s eyes and everything. How he’s perfecting us. He uses it to perfect us and uses us as a witness. So I mean, keep keep it coming, but

 

Nick Vujicic 

Yeah.  right right.

 

Barry Meguiar 

Folks eternalize this for yourselves, wherever you’re at. What he’s saying is powerful. I don’t want you to miss this.

 

Nick Vujicic 

So what I want you to know is of course I prayed for arms and legs and I’m not the guy to say that anything you want God’s gonna give you because the moment that God cannot say no to me, then I’m higher than God. You can’t. He’s not a genie. He’s not this he doesn’t want everyone to have a million bucks, doesn’t want everyone to have a you know, blah blah blah. You know it’s not about prosperity gospel, I could die of cancer as a Christian, you nearly died. Christians freakin die physically we’re gonna die.

 

Barry Meguiar 

Happens every day.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Happy, happy news, right? Going home. This ain’t it.

 

Barry Meguiar 

We’re not getting out of here alive, right?

 

Nick Vujicic 

I love it. So how I go, who cares? My dad died three years ago, I nearly died in 2016, in a hospital in California. And so you know, you don’t know when and how. And so God can choose to give me or not give me arms and legs. I knew that. But in what Barry just said, you also need to understand that if you truly believe that God is God as well, not only does he not have to always do what we think he should, when and how we think he should. But also in a time that he doesn’t tell you an answer, where you at least understands like, hey, I am broken. I can’t do this without you. And that in itself is the pinnacle of our relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, where we know we need Him that He becomes our friend that he carries us when we cannot walk in that desperation. That is the pinnacle of your relationship with Jesus Christ.

 

Barry Meguiar 

Whether you have arms or not.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Right.

 

Barry Meguiar 

It’s the same, it’s the same for us.

 

Nick Vujicic 

And whether you’re a foster kid, or whether you’ve been sexually abused, or whether you’ve been human traffic or cancer or lost a child or lost a spouse or whatever brokenness is brokenness, and you can never compare each other’s brokenness. You can’t. I would rather, right, people would rather have, you know, give up an arm than their parents ever divorced. Right? Like living in a broken home. I think it’s worse leaving in a broken home than having a no arms or legs. And so pain is pain, but hope is hope. But there’s only one Lord and His name is Jesus. And so when I saw that Jesus didn’t give the blind man the plan, but the blind man, imagine I’m blind and you’re Jesus. And I’m hearing this tune and you get mud in your face and you start putting your hands in my face like whoa, timeout like, who are you? What do you want? What what’s the plan right? And he says nothing.

 

Barry Meguiar 

You could have just snapped His fingers.

 

Nick Vujicic 

There you go. And he did with some others, right? Just in the shadow of even the the the disciples people were being healed, but he chose to do it this way. He- blind man, be still and know that I am God. Some of us just need to just we take ourselves too seriously sometimes. I’m not belittling anyone’s pain, Barry. You know, I’m not. But God is bigger than your problem. You don’t tell, you heard that saying? Don’t tell God how big your problems are?

 

Barry Meguiar 

Another thing I’ve lived with for a lot of years, I get it from Bill Gothard way back when basic you whatever that fancy language and a lot of people watching right over I’m talking about seven, eight. Keep some features. One was God is not nearly as concerned with what you go through as how he is and how you respond to what you go with you.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Because you don’t just go through it. You grow through it

 

Barry Meguiar 

Grow through it. Yes, exactly.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Amen.

 

Barry Meguiar 

Exactly.

 

Nick Vujicic 

And that’s the amazing thing.

 

Barry Meguiar 

We can have something happen to us pardon me for interupting you, but we can have something and get so mad. Or we could have something have videos to say okay, God, I don’t get this. I don’t see how you’re gonna get me out. But I know you will.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Right. Amen. Amen. And he’s, here’s the point. We say it on ministry life without limbs: Your history is his story. And so so if I went through what I’ve been through. What’s that? Your history? Your history is his story. And so he’s the he’s the author and perfecter of your faith. Correct. So we don’t hold the pen. We don’t he holds the pen. When he lie. He holds a pen. Right. And he’s writing your story right now.

 

Barry Meguiar 

Whoo. Yeah.

 

Nick Vujicic 

And he don’t owe us an explanation. He’s God. Who would I, who am I? Who do you think I? No way I am dung. My righteousness is dung. Forget it. Get it done. So he’s writing the story. I gave my life to Jesus Christ at 15. I said God more than arms and legs rescue my soul. Give me your peace. I need peace more than, people have arms, legs, no peace. People have arms and legs. But they feel like they need to make themselves pretty to be more popular or bully other people to make them feel. No, it’s not about the outside. It’s not about what the world thinks of you. It’s about the One who created you for a greater purpose that you can’t even fathom because he’s God. And he’s writing the story to the point where, when you don’t get a miracle, he causes you to be a miracle for someone else.

 

Barry Meguiar 

Mm hmm. That’s, that’s heavy teaching right there.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Right? So someone of you right, losing a child, Barry can share what him and his wife Karen had gone through, and the questions, the grieving. Yet the hope that they had, going through the emotions, possibly going through counseling. Many strong Christians I know including myself need counseling from time to time. God uses dentist for our teeth. God uses Christian psychologist for our heart and mind too, okay. Because we also go through PTSD and all that kind of stuff. And I just want you to know that no one’s spared from the attacks of the enemy. No one’s spared from loss. No one’s spared from death itself. Of the physical.

 

Barry Meguiar 

But it’s how you respond to it. You know, we still have people to this day say you haven’t finished grieving yet, you’ve never enter the anger stage.

 

Nick Vujicic 

That pisses me.

 

Barry Meguiar 

Are you kidding me? Who am I going to be angry at?

 

Nick Vujicic 

Unless you’ve going through it, so everyone’s different, right Barry?

 

Barry Meguiar 

Most marriages don’t survive the loss of a child and ours flourished. It brought us closer to God, because we really sought God more just cuz. We’re gonna get as we sought God more, what are you doing? And all of you have come to the Lord because of our daughters passing I mean, in the hundreds.

 

Nick Vujicic 

But you’ve already been walking with the Lord for many years.

 

Barry Meguiar 

And she was she was walking and serving God and leading people to the Lord, right? I hope someday, that when we get to heaven, our rewards come from how many people the only thing that matters 100 years from now is how many people are in heaven because of our influence.  Okay, so I hope someday that I can get somewhere close to where Nicole is, you know, because you’re the one the overachievers are gonna be closer to the throne. I’m gonna be in the suburb somewhere, right? But I think, I hope that Nicole and Nick will you remember my name? So I can come up and visit you and see what it’s like at that place closer. But it is the reward where nothing that it didn’t matter how many bottles of car wax I sold. You know that? It doesn’t matter. I’m not going to think about car, I love car wax. I love cars. I love cars and all these pressures fun to have them,

 

Nick Vujicic 

Amen.  Nor even how much money you gave away.

 

Barry Meguiar 

It doesn’t doesn’t matter.

 

Nick Vujicic 

As much as someone from the procurement. That’s the Bible. It’s not about how much money you get is how many money you gave to church.

 

Barry Meguiar 

You can give a lot of money away and not lead one person to the Lord. I mean, because you got all kinds of I got my name on building. I got to go on a trip or they treated me like royalty and how many of you got saved? The only thing that is gonna matter is how many people are in heaven, because of our influence?

 

Nick Vujicic 

Amen. And look hand in hand, feeding the hungry clothing the naked as serving as if Jesus was one of the least of them. We know that we’re commanded to do that. But but the jewels in our crown are the souls.

 

Barry Meguiar 

But if you only do that, you just made people give people full stomach and be better looking in their clothes on their way to hell. I mean, seriously. I mean, we want to do that, we’re called to do that we’re demand more than anything else in Scripture, feed and clothe the poor, whatever. But if you just doing it to feed and clothe them, and you’re not there, for their soul, what what good is it? You need both. You know.

 

Nick Vujicic 

And so, so so so what I want people to know is for me, I felt so desperate for hope. I didn’t think hope was for me. And when you first get that first love of Jesus, Revelation 1:3, and go back to your first love, and all this other distraction goes away. When you are in prison, in the spirit, and lost in the dark, and you then come to the love and light of Jesus, all you want to do is tell someone else about the best. You can’t you, can’t you.

 

Barry Meguiar 

If you love God, if you’re not sharing you don’t love him. He’s not your first love, you love him. But he says, right, you’ve left your first love to church, Ephesus. He’s telling the church, you’ve left your first love and you stopped doing your first work. The first thing every Christian does is share their faith.

 

Nick Vujicic 

And many people who first give their life to Jesus Christ 2, 3, 4 years later, haven’t even shared their story with many, many people.

 

Barry Meguiar 

But they tried immediately, you have that impulse. I let a guy to the Lord about three weeks ago after a funeral of a dear friend and he was crying. It was such a wonderful redemption. He came in from his tears. He says, I have so many friends I got to tell about Jesus. First work. Well, if we don’t keep doing that first work and keep God as our first love. He says he will take through the candlesticks, he will remove our testimony. And the church has lost its testimony, most Christians have lost their testimony.

 

Nick Vujicic 

100% and I think that’s one of the disabilities of the church that that have been fully exposed. So, first love first. And so what we got to understand is that God puts people in your life to ignite that hunger for God. Well, I show this episode today, so we got to put this on, yeah, we’re gonna we creatively put it in because all about igniting that passion flame. And if if there is no more wood in the fire, and there’s no wind blowing it, the fire goes out, right?

 

Barry Meguiar 

So again, that fire, sadly, got less than 1% of all Christians are sharing their faith. They’re so concerned with their problems. They have no joy, they have they have no oil in the tank, no gas,

 

Nick Vujicic 

Because they’ve forgotten the True Northon the compass of the spiritual calling that God has given us the great commission, right, man, Matthew 28. And so for me, I just want to share this part. I was age 17. I was just awarded as a student government rep at my high school. This 61 year old janitor, cleaning the toilets at my high school looks at me and says, as a Christian, you’re a Christian, aren’t you? I said, aha. He said, Why don’t you go into the Christian group on Friday? And I had to make an excuse. I’m like, wow, those are the nerds. Right? You just don’t want to be seen with them. They like friggin nerdy, right? I want to be with my unsaved friends. And that’s that was my excuse. Right? And and he took

 

Barry Meguiar 

Doing ministry, planting seeds.

 

Nick Vujicic 

And so he said, you’re going to be worldwide speaker. I said what? He said, You’re going to be worldwide speaker and I want to arrange the first speech, at 17. And I said no for three months. And then he twisted my arm. I said, Yes. And I got in front of this little group of six, seven students. And I just shared from my heart. I mean, I was nervous, right? You’re nervous. But Matthew 10:19 It’s not us speaking, but I through you right? The Holy Spirit. And so my palms are sweaty, my knees were shaken. And and people would just start to cry. And I’m like,

 

Barry Meguiar 

Holy Spirit.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Why are they crying? And I’m like, and then they’re like that was amazing. I’m like, no, it wasn’t? Oh, no. Was like, no, that really touched me. I’m like, okay, they started calling me. Churches, youth groups, blah, blah, blah, age 19. I was in front of a public school. And back in even those days, 2002. You can’t say the swear word Jesus at a public school. So I had a seven minute speech and within three and a half minutes before I spoke, oh, my God, I want to know, even if I can’t say your name here to public school, will you bless it? And I didn’t say his name. But it was blessed. And one girl came and cried on my shoulder. And she she, she wept on my shoulder in front of everyone. She said, Thank you. No one’s ever told me that they love me. No one’s ever told me that I’m beautiful the way that I am. And that’s when I knew was born to be a speaker and Evangelist to be his hands and feet. And then at age 24, I met in California, a beautiful little boy. 19 month old Daniel Martinez, no arms, no legs, just like me. Little Foot. And he’s being held up above the crowd. And I looked at him like, oh, my gosh, I stopped my sermon and brought him up. I’m looking down. He’s looking up at me.

 

Barry Meguiar 

Wow.

 

Nick Vujicic 

And I can’t give him you know, whatever. So I just put my foot in his foot, like a little low, too, you know. And I had a flashback of all the depression, all the bullying, all the questioning all the grieving. And I’m like, I know what this kid’s gonna go through. But now he can look at me and say, Wow, well, if God had a plan for Uncle Nicky, then he’s got a plan for little Daniel now. And so this is the thing if God allowed, what we’ve gone through, and going to go through, because he never promised a life without suffering. But if he doesn’t waste that pain, and doesn’t let you go through that in vain, and you grow through that, and then using that as his story of how God carried you when you couldn’t walk. I mean, what do you think I want arms and legs for stupid 90 years, or an eternal life, where they’re in heaven I have arms and legs. And Daniel runs to me with his arms and legs, and hugs me and says, thank you, brother. And then this is my wife. These are my kids is my great great great grandkids. For eternity generated.

 

Barry Meguiar 

90 years. Well, you know, that song Amazing Grace when we’ve been there 10,000 years. You could just as easily be sad when we’ve been there. 10 million or 10 billion years and we’ve only just begun. And we’re worrying about what happens in 90 years on this planet. Seriously, why are we so it’s somehow and we have so many friends that that’s all they see. And they just don’t want to give being God to accept God. And you know, it’s just the joy, the joy that I mean the fun even when you have no arms, no legs, the joy of serving God, keeping him first. And when you have that joy, when you love God with your whole heart, your whole mind, your whole soul, everything in you, you can’t help but sharing. You just got to tell people.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Now, that’s that’s the caveat. What does that look like? You’re hearing what Barry’s saying. But what does that look for you today? Do you pray more than a minute? Lord Jesus, thank you so much for today, you know, may not get too hot in Arizona, and bless the poor people who don’t have any food, right? Is that is that a personal relationship with God? Absolutely not. We have a post relationship with the Lord. What I’ve done to a point is like, I want to pray a want to pray for those people around me. And I do a by name. So I actually wrote out my prayer years ago. And I actually pray for specific prayers. You know what’s so cool about writing out your prayer, and then reading that out? You have to change it every three weeks because something comes to pass. It’s amazing. We, God moves more than you’re so focused on why don’t you do that? Why don’t you do that? Why don’t you do that? He’s done this. He’s done this, he’s done. This is done this, that was bad. But that could have been even worse. And you’re not even acknowledging that. It’s that personal walk with God, where he becomes your friend, and you go and talk to your friend. On a good day, on a bad day. Whether they give you something or not. You don’t just text him when you need him. That’s not a friend. That’s a genie. So God wants you. He wants your heart all of you. And the quicker we learn those lessons, Barry, my goodness, how stubborn are we sometimes?

 

Barry Meguiar 

You know, and you live as long as I have lived, serving the Lord. I was born in church, important the church fuels you know, so I’ve been working in serving the Lord all my life. I’ve been sharing my faith on a daily basis since the 70s. But I remember back in time Saiki, I haven’t prayed for three days. I gotta remember to keep remembering got to pray and pray. And then I saw this pray without ceasing and I thought oh, yeah, right. You could really pray like that and then they would never accomplish anything. You know, it’s just like, yeah, yeah. You know, about a year ago, it hit me. I’m praying without ceasing. You know why? Because I’m sharing my faith. Because I’m focused on moving everybody every day closer to Jesus. So when I walk in the room, I figured 90% are not saved, just about anywhere I go, about 90% of the people there are heading to hell. I mean, let’s get serious. They are. You going to a market, you go to an event, you go to a waiting room, wherever you are? And they’re lost. And they’re, they’re hurting. And they’re starving for love. And so would you allow the Holy Spirit just start Okay, God, I just walked in to every room. Bring them on, you know, and he directs their steps as well as yours. And when those things happen is like wow, but what happens afterwards is that I taught self discipling because you have to be in the word you’re being asked all kinds of questions that you can’t answer so you’re digging like treasure right? So now you have purpose to your Bible reading. You have purpose for praying because God you brought that Bob Blaine into my life today that would you please Brian, God be with Bob and bless. And then there was Trisha this afternoon and that was an amazing I can’t even believe I got to talk her and then you start praying for people you’re gonna bring into my life tomorrow. So, it’s all sudden, you’re praying through the day you’re praying at night, you have purpose you’re not just reading the word because you have to. You’re not praying and falling asleep by prayer but I know I need to pray. You can’t get it you just you’re just it’s active. Sharing your faith that’s why it’s the great commission. When when you share your faith everything else works even when you’re speaking in the words come out of your mouth that you know is the Holy Spirit. God just gives you stuff it just comes out. And you know, God is working in your faith soars. I’ll give you one scripture that just drives me wild. It’s in Isaiah, the Old Testament, Isaiah 43:10 he says, I appoint you as my witness so that you believe. Is cool? If I was God say I put is my witness so they’ll believe. No, but he’s saying I appointed you as my witness so that you will believe. If your faith is wavering and you’re you’re hurting and you’re suffering you’re wondering where God is and you’re moaning and groaning about whatever. Okay. Start using it for His glory. And it starts watching the doors of and and it’s it’s amazing when you when you are available God brings people into your life. He says, I can bring him by Nick. I can bring by Barry. I know I can speak to them through them as they are open vessels for me. And it just starts happening on a daily basis like, Wow, is it crazier.

 

Nick Vujicic 

And look, there are times where you don’t feel like man, I didn’t even know how to do it, God will empower you to do it. But especially if you’re depressed as well, that’s obviously hard to reach out to someone, right? Who you’re trying to ask the Holy Spirit to use you to go in and save the lost, but you feel I’m in this hole, I’m stuck in the yuck. You know, three things that you can do. Remind yourself, maybe make a list of the 10 biggest blessings that God has given you. And read over that again and again, again. Second thing is talk to somebody and maybe get counseling. If you need counseling from someone, a Christian counselor, to really process your emotions. You don’t want to bury it, you know, and ignore it. Because eventually those emotions are going to come up and you have to deal with it. And then unfortunately, you will say or do things that are really something you would not do or say. Thirdly, go out there and serve the homeless, go and be someone out there representing the hands and feet of Jesus. And that’s how God is well can ignite that love and compassion for people where you unselfishly go out and give you don’t give to receive you give to give because if I can’t share my testimony, I can sure serve a bowl of soup to a homeless person down the street, right? So help me God, He will, right. And so what you do know that that that that is so important as well, for you to feel like man, I need to feel like a greater sense of purpose in my life, go and do something. And if a guy if a guy without arms, legs can be used by God to be his hands and feet, then God can use any willing heart.

 

Barry Meguiar 

What’s your excuse? You know, what Satan means for bad God uses for good whatever Satan is trying to do to you. It might just be God giving you, it could be a way of blessing, direct blessing from God. I mean, you have no idea but no matter what God can make it a blessing.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Amen. And, that’s the faith and he will always show you that in the end in the time that he wants in the way. So Life Without Limbs, it’s a 501 C three nonprofit organization. That’s taking me now around the globe. 3500 stages 70

 

Barry Meguiar 

Tell me how many people you impact? Directly, indirectly. I mean, it’s amazing thing.

 

Nick Vujicic 

It was truly is amazing. So thank you to all of you who know something about Life without Limbs who pray for us, who financially support us. We just moved from California to Texas, the United States of Texas, in Dallas, and we are so so blessed to be their Hope Center, with June Han and Hope for the Heart ministries there. But I just want you all to know that our minitry is so blessed to say that we’ve been in 74 countries 3500 stages, nine and a half million people.

 

Barry Meguiar 

Wait a minute. 3500 stages. That’s a lot of stages. Speeches. That’s a great presentation.

 

Nick Vujicic 

In front of nine and a half million people, of which 1.1 million gave their life to Jesus. And then when we go into a country, by the grace of God, we’ve been privileged to address 10 national governments, meet 21 presidents, and then go on national mainstream television, to preach the gospel to 733 million people so far.

 

Barry Meguiar  

But I think the higher your life was right in the GT this afternoon.

 

Nick Vujicic 

I love this guy. This guy’s the best. And so we have a prison ministry. We have a prayer and encouragement ministry. And we have a big Jesus 10 Old School tent. Like we’re talking.

 

Barry Meguiar 

like a traveling

 

Nick Vujicic 

1000 square foot tent.

 

Barry Meguiar 

How many books you read.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Six. And then what my team is

 

Barry Meguiar 

Have you ever seen him do a backflip off of dining diving board. I mean, this guy swims like a champ. Soccer you play soccer. Golf, golf. You drag it. You know, you drive a car. I’ve driven a car. You drove the car.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Scuba diving? I didn’t know so I think we Bethany Hamilton.

 

Barry Meguiar 

Oh, man.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Isn’t she the best.

 

Barry Meguiar 

She is the best. Lost her arm and she’s still going strong and just loves the Lord.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Absolutely. So through digital, but not just evangelism, but discipling. Because we want to help kids, we really feel this burning to ignite the next generation. Ages as young as eight, 9, 10, 11, 12 to start teaching them what they haven’t learned in church. They haven’t learned how to study the Bible. They don’t know how to talk to their friends about Jesus. They,

 

Barry Meguiar 

Less than 6% of Americans have a Biblical world view, less than 6%. They’re lost. Satan blinds the minds of unbelievers and that’s about 80% of our population. They see black is white, white is black good is bad. Bad’s good. And we’re seeing that that we’re seeing that everywhere, but we can get mad at them but their lost. They’re lost. They’ve been brought up in a godless society. They’re lost and how are they going to know? Unless somebody tells them and they’re not going to church. They’re not going to church. So the only hope is us.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Who will know? If wait, how will they be told? Until someone is sent?

 

Barry Meguiar 

How are you? And how will they know somebody tells you, how will someone tell unless they are? Nobody is sending. When’s the last time we heard a pastor say my job is just for 11. My job was to equip the stage for ministry. When you hear that we hear three good three points of how to be a nicer person, we go out with smoke and mirrors and and look again.

 

Nick Vujicic 

At the churches. There are some good churches out there.

 

Barry Meguiar 

Pew Research did a study last year on 50,000 sermons from 1000s of churches and they found out that less than 10% in mentioned salvation. Less than 10% so the burden is on us okay, we can’t complain about that, that’s just fact. It’s up to us. It’s up to us. And you know, what, doesn’t matter if you’re able bodied or you’re not able bodied? It doesn’t matter if you’re skating or and you have all kinds of wonderful stuff or are you just in the midst of trial almost better I mean, he’s reached a lot more people than I have. Let’s put it that way. Golly, you have reached so many people because of that praise God

 

Nick Vujicic 

But it takes many people around you, the team, the donors, and prayer you know, you can’t do anything without prayer.

 

Barry Meguiar 

You have no excuse, folks. I don’t care who you are. I don’t care where you are. I don’t care what you’re going through. Use it to minister use it have joy, love God. You just at, first you just have to get to God. And you just have to love with your heart, your mind, and soul just say I don’t care what’s going on God I don’t care about the world I don’t care my circumstance. I don’t care what I do my job. I just want to love you.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Let’s pray for them right now. Lord Jesus we thank you right now so many people, so many people don’t know you yet Lord. Father we thank you that those who may be become callous in that first love and that burning and and that fire that was once they Lord reignite us right now. Ignite it from the youngest to the oldest. We thank you give us a passion to reach for the loss that Father we thank you for the truth that there is no one that we can lay eyes on here on Earth today that you don’t love. And you are mourning and grieving over the loss, Jesus you shed your blood on the cross. And Father we have that we have that for us but Lord help us to burn with a passion to go and save the lost in Jesus name, amen.

 

Barry Meguiar 

Hallelujah. Hallelujah. I do want to say one last thing. I want to thank Ron Baldwin. Ron Bladwin is my dear friend and he has, he calls it a business I call it a ministry. Uncommon giving. Which is a gift to the church to help us know how to give our money’s better he is like a guide here, he’s a counselor, he just leads us all through it. We’re here for a dinner at my house over 120 people in a few minutes walk out and talk to, you get to talk to about that and it’s because of him having you here that we get to hang out today and and have some fun with cars.

 

Nick Vujicic 

And it was awesome. That Ford GT was fun. I told him all about my love for cars and all the chavel but man we know that dude, I reckon God’s gonna give you a car just for fun just for kicks up there because I know he loves cars so much. But I love your heart.

 

Barry Meguiar 

Chief what’s your title?

 

Nick Vujicic 

My title new title now chief generosity officer and I’m coming giving based out of Scottsdale, Arizona

 

Barry Meguiar 

If you want to talk to Nick you would you would you want to talk to Nick You’re calling it uncommon giving Chief generosity officer. How can it get any better than that?

 

Nick Vujicic 

They call me segoe man how cool is that? I gotta get a hat. Segal. So what we want to do is is be the spearhead company in America for marketplace generosity. The bigger, smaller companies that give to socially responsible causes and and even a matched in helping nonprofits do what they do.

 

Barry Meguiar 

Whether you give $10, or give $10 million they treat you, they treat everybody the same.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Yep. So nonprofits it’s free to to actually register your and create and design your own account and get an exposure to doing campaigns working with social media influences to do campaign so we’d actually just came back from Yuma on the border with the Border Relief Fund. Helping human traffic, child welfare. Yesterday, we saw people crossing the border while we were filming. And and when you see these kids, I mean, just in Yuma alone in four months 2000 unaccompanied minors. So we need to really help the Border Patrol families. The food bank, there’s one food bank that 25% of Yuma depend on 25% of Yuma. So what we try to do is come from a holistic point of view, working with government, working with all NGOs, to say, as a community, let’s pump a lot of cash. So then you get more cash, get more exposure to all the nonprofits synergistically working together, which the churches will do that. So because they’re not, we’re working with the nonprofit’s together to do what we need to do the hands and feet. And to really inspire generosity and the movement in Gen Z, and millennials and actually cultivate the culture of generosity where you open up to what you’re going to like this $200 wallet, every three quart every quarter, every three months, you get 50 bucks for something that you’ve never done, and they’re working on right now volunteering hours. So grandpa or grandma can sponsor little Joey to go with his mom to go and make pocket money from grandma, grandpa, if they volunteer in our Salvation Army. I mean, if that’s what it takes, I mean that let’s let’s do this.

 

Barry Meguiar 

So no matter what you do, that’s we have to do that, we are called to do that. But in addition to whatever you do for the Lord, in the form of an organization, organized effort, you want to move everybody every day, closer to Jesus.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Amen.

 

Barry Meguiar 

We’re all surrounded by people that are lost. And how are they going to know unless we tell them? We got to get busy and tell you tell your friends. We we can do this. What? What’s your final word on why they should share their faith?

 

Nick Vujicic 

Well, first of all.

 

Barry Meguiar 

Finaly word for how why they shouldn’t be igniting America’s revival, would person.

 

Nick Vujicic 

I’ll tell you that in a second lifewithoutlimbs.org. That’s my ministry is where I preach at. So check that out. Thank you for your prayers. What holds me and gets me going every single day is imagine if heaven was mapped out like Earth as we know it. And your current residents is the current mapping of the streets. And there are neighbors in this development. God says in the Bible, that when you’re saved, Jesus is busy right now, as a carpenter. Preparing a place for you. So what was really interesting to me is an illustration that I always visualize that imagine I go to heaven, and I’m like, wow, I see my mansion. It’s beautiful. It’s perfect. It’s heaven. But then I go on the street, and I see how many neighbors mansions never got built. Because no one will preach the gospel to that neighbor. And they’re not here. And so when you multiply that with multiple people in each house, I don’t think I can motivate any more than what you’ve done. But that’s that’s the burden. And this is, this is this could be a last day. Is that not true?

 

Barry Meguiar 

The last point is.

 

Nick Vujicic 

this could be our last day.

 

Barry Meguiar 

We’re running out of time. We, the rapture could happen tomorrow. I mean, we could and think of all of our unsaved friends and loved ones. I pray God even come Lord Jesus. I’m ready to go down. Hey, wait a minute, no, no hold back. I got to get a certain name and all believe my working on that I got to get into heaven first hold on a little bit longer. That’s more of my prayer at this point. There’s so many people working on.

 

Nick Vujicic 

And I think I think we honestly if we’re honest with ourselves, I think we belittle the Holy Spirit’s power. I just want to share this last thing. In Australia, one of my first cousins went out of his way to discourage Christians from their faith walk. And he said, If what is coming out of my mouth is untrue. Let God take my voice away. And not to throat cancer, but let it mysteriously go away. He hasn’t had a voice for 18 months. He went through a tragedy in his life with his girlfriend at the time. He found himself in a police station at the bottom of the bottom. He looked himself in the mirror and he said to himself, you’re nothing. You need God. And the Holy Spirit grabbed him. He did a 180. He’s getting baptized on the sixth of June. And we all knew around him. There is nothing that we could say to him. It was a spiritual unveiling, that the Holy Spirit knew that that’s what he needed to go through before he did find Jesus as his Lord and Savior. So pray, don’t just go and pray and fast. When was the last time you fasted for one of your loved ones to be saved? Right?

 

Barry Meguiar 

The only battle is not serving God. That’s the only battle. I mean, you know what the nudge is? God nudges you all the time. You should call that person. You’re talking to somebody. It’s not a Christian. You think I should ask if I could pray for them? There’s a person in need and oh I don’t have time. Hey, we have a million excuses. I can tell you one last word. Follow the nudge. Follow that nudge every time. Follow a nudge. And you live in the favor. You live in the favor of God. And doesn’t matter what you’re going through or what’s going on. You got joy. And I it’s pretty cool. It’s really cool, man. Oh man, I tell you what, it’s a great family.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Can I give you an acronym? FAITH: full assurance in the heart.

 

Barry Meguiar 

Full assurance in the heart, that’s for sure. It’s unwavering.

 

Nick Vujicic 

Unwavering, that despite what you see, despite what you feel, despite what you know, you hold God in the word as faithful and you see him as faithful he will never let you down. And when you’re disabled. When you go by faith and not by sight, you put a G O in front of the word disabled, it spells out God is able to do what: exceedingly abundantly more than you can ever exactly imagine or attain. You can’t even hold it!

 

Barry Meguiar 

We need to go on the road together. Okay, I got to go back in the board. It’s faith, what do you say?

 

Nick Vujicic 

Full,

 

Barry Meguiar 

Full

 

Nick Vujicic 

Assurance

 

Barry Meguiar 

Assurance

 

Nick Vujicic 

in the heart

 

Barry Meguiar 

Oh in the heart, full assurance in the heart. If you don’t have full assurance of the heart, here’s what happens. You’re worrying if you’re praying, I sorry, folks, but if you’re praying and you’re worrying, it’s not going to work. You’re double minded. The Bible says your double minded James 1 says you can ask whatever you want and I’ll give it to you but but but don’t waiver. Don’t you waiver, if your waiver you’re like read it in James 1 if you waiver you’re like a wave of the sea driven by the wind and tossed, a double minded man you’re a double minded if you’re praying and worrying folks, you’re double minded. And James 1 says a double minded man is unstable in all of his ways. And then the clincher for that thought within first chapter James is let not that man expect to receive anything from me. So if you’re wondering why your prayers aren’t being answered, God’s not obligated to answer your prayers unless you’re in this whole faith. So I mean, that’s powerful. So how do you how do you get there you know.

 

Nick Vujicic 

You read the word

 

Barry Meguiar 

You read the word and you share the Word and when you share the word God just uses you, it oh my gosh no one can take that way from you, just when God uses you to reach somebody, and you know he just gave me the words. Wow, nothing’s gonna shake your faith from there on. And that’s when the the promise of Romans 8:28: For all things work together for good for those who love him whole heart, whole mind, soul, all in, I Love You God, I love you God and live for my purpose and His purpose is to seek and save the lost. It’s not your purpose or mine. It’s his. He’s got a plan for you and a plan for me how to perform His purpose. His purpose is to seek and save the loss and my words to move everybody, every day closer Jesus. God bless you.

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