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Hi everybody. Welcome back to ignite. I have a special, incredibly special opportunity right now to to introduce you to Dallas Holm, who,
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I must say, in my entire life, I’ve never known anybody that more represented God that just walks with God is all in has a crazy sense of humor.
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Makes me laugh. He makes me cry.
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Gives the most powerful altar calls I’ve ever seen, and he does the old Fauci way. Everybody’s sitting down. If you want to get saved, stand up and walk forward. Make no bones about it. And I’ve seen him in services where two hours later he’s still praying. He didn’t just preach and leaves. He’s there. He burns for souls, but he’s but he had some challenging things through his life. So I just, I want to introduce you to my to my buddy, Dallas, home Dallas. Is it fun that we’re able to do this after all these years. I know it’s incredible. In fact, I’m sitting at my desk in my office so your picture of your family is on my desk all the time. Every day I look at it, I say a prayer.
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Wow, I love you guys. Well, we we have those pictures visible around our house, and we go back to 1970 folks. We do 1970 and it was a God thing, if I can divert just for a moment, we were Nazarenes, built, raised, challenged by the Nazarene church, and moved from Pasadena, California to
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Orange County to Irvine. And there was not a Nazarene church a round of any size. And we were church bounds for a year, until he led us into on September 13, 1970
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into first Assembly of God, Santa Ana, first Assembly of God. And when we were walking that morning, little did we know that we would be there just about every Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday night, for the next 31 years.
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And it was very interesting that
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I just had a realtor, forgive me, to divert for a moment now,
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to set the seed. It’s a miracle story. I had a realtor from Florida come up to me a couple years ago at a car show, and he said, I understand you knew brother Wilson. I said, Yes, he’s I sold him a house in Florida.
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I said, I knew he hadn’t what year 69 No, I didn’t want to embarrass you. I just laid him. He said, Yeah. And then when he got back to New York, Dallas knows, and I both know well that Dave would do one thing one day, and then during the night, God would tell him something different, and he was going a different direction. The next day, he always followed, not what we said, but anyway, said he followed what he heard God say to him, he would, he would pray two or three times, two to three hours every night. And he heard from God, and he calls the Rebecca says, I can’t buy the house. And he says, Mr. Wilson, brought pastor Wilson. You’re, you’re at escrow, you’re committed. He said, I’m sorry, I can’t buy the house. Why can’t I buy the house? Because God told me to move to Irvine, California. Now, in 1970 Irvine was not a city. There was no city Irvine California. It was an incorporated area with a couple 1000 people. How does a pastor in New York City. Anything about Irvine Galloway except that God told him, and when God told him, that’s what he’s doing, I said, so what you do? He said, I got him out of I said, Why would you do that? He’s when David Wilkerson tells you, God told him he’s gotta move to Irvine. What do you think? Yeah, I poured some strings so he moved in and get this into the same neighborhood we just moved into two blocks away from us, but we didn’t meet in there. And our sojourn going from church to church to church, he had us on a God had us on a sojourn of learning. And we went through so many empty churches, and finally we walked into it, the last church we’d ever go into, a seven piece of God. Are you kidding me? Pentecostal, speaking tongues? No, we’re not going to go there. We didn’t know. Go there. We didn’t know we were there. He just let us in. Him the moment we arrived, we knew his home, and afterwards, we were introduced to Gwen Wilkerson.
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And our friend said, I think you have daughters, don’t you? Yeah, and, and they babysit, because the Maguire Steve babysitters, oh, yeah, they work out, and we live two blocks of each other, really about Dave was traveling every weekend, but finally, about three weeks later, we got to meet him, and that started rolling. I don’t want to go off on that, but he not only moved, but he moved his team and Dallas. What is this crusade? Singer, at Dallas home in our church, and we became friends. Oh, it took us maybe two weeks or something after the races and memories from those days Dallas, yeah, and the reason we moved out there, and this is so typical brother, Dave, I joined him, Jan.
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First of 1970 in New York, worked with them, traveled with them in the Wilkerson youth crusades for those months. But we were doing more ministry on the West Coast, in California, we’ve come out, come out almost every month and do a great crusade at the Anaheim Convention Center. It’s back in the Jesus movement days, all the hippies were coming out. Brother David always give an invitation. There might be 1500 street people come forward at the end. I need Jesus. I want Christ. We’d take him aside, pray with him, talk with him, turn him over to Chuck Smith, because he was kind of the only church in the area that really was specifically zeroing in on that group. And so typical brother, Dave, it’s like, well, this is where God is moving in a spectacular way. Let’s just get in the middle of it. Let’s move there. So literally, left New York, moved to Southern California, so we could be right in the middle of all that God was doing there. Of course, it was a movement all over the world, but California, Southern California, it seemed to really kind of headquartered there. The news media was picking up on it, and that is why we didn’t hear about that. And there was a lot of misrepresentations of what was happening. But it was just such a such a sovereign work of God and Brother Dave, wanted to be right in the middle of it, so pack up your bags. Here we go. So we moved right in the middle of it. I’m so glad we did. I always remember, my clearest memory is standing out kind of in the foyer of the church one of those Sunday mornings, and Karen was there, your wife, and these two little girls, cutest little girls, Michelle and Nicole. And I just love kids. I’ve always loved kids, and especially Michelle, and I just kind of click. You know, she did. She wanted to be wherever I was, and honestly, I wanted to be wherever she was, so we had the best, best time and still maintain a marvelous relationship after all these years with a special young lady. You’ve been that second father to her, and in the fun times you minister to her, a lot of her spiritual strength was drawn from you. So of course, we’re talking David Wilkerson across the switchblade fame and found your challenge and what you got. Can you see that there’s a look at that Barry Karen in Dallas on his motorcycle. Oh, here’s Linda back in about 70. Is her heart Michelle and Nicole that was in her house in Dallas, probably at about 72 I’m thinking around that area, yeah, here’s, here’s Dallas and his little friend Michelle on this website. Oh my goodness. I found those photos up this morning. I thought I gotta, gotta show you that. Yeah, we go back a long way. You know, friendships like this, true Friends in Christ are, there are no richer treasures in all of Earth, obviously our salvation. But I mean, you know you mentioned it when we were praying,
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when you we could sit here forever. We’d sit here for hours talk theology, doctrinal issues, methodology of how we witness share of faith, everything else but the bottom line, when you boil down all the volume of Scripture and all that God’s heart is all about, it’s very simple. It it’s answered when Jesus is asked toward the end of His earthly ministry by this smart young attorney, well, Lord, what’s the greatest commandment? They’re really trying to corner him again, you know, ask him something, maybe he’ll come up with the wrong answer, and Jesus boils down the entire eternal intent of God’s heart in basically two lines, Love the Lord your God, love one another, love your neighbor as yourself. And in this all along, the prophets are fulfilled. That’s why it makes even a conversation like this. Of all the things we could discuss, bottom line is, we are in Christ. We love the Lord. He loves us, and we have this call on our lives. And that’s all my life in ministry since I’ve been a Christian. That’s that’s all that floats my boat. You know, music’s just a vehicle. It was never the end game. It’s just the tool that God gave me. How can I use this to promote the gospel, present the gospel now on stage. What happens on stage through all those years, those concerts? That’s one thing. But what happens on the street? What happens in the grocery store, what happens at Walmart?
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When we talk the other day, I share this, I mean this year in particular, and I don’t know why. I could just tell you that God has
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put upon my heart challenged me be more intentional. Be more specific. Look, I mean, when I get up in the morning before I swing my legs over the bed, I always have just a little it’s not my prayer time, but it’s good morning, Lord. Thank you for good night’s sleep. Thank you for your goodness, your blessings. Please. Let me cross paths with someone today whom I can show the love of Jesus to. Yeah, it’s not a method, it’s not a formula, it’s not a here’s the four steps, here’s the No, it’s just, I put it this way, and I got to stop here. I’ll get preaching, but it’s great. Keep.
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Going. It’s so basic. It’s so simple. People are so intimidated because they think they got to be theologians. They’ve got to have a script. They got to have method, method of program. You know, I always say this, how would you how would you describe Jesus, you know, how would you describe the personality of Jesus? I think the best way is, well, he was a man of peace, joy, love, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, patience, self control, all that defines who he is. So as Christians, I say think of ourselves as carrying a nice, big basket of fruit around fresh, ripened fruit, and every day, we literally rub shoulders with people who are starving to death, sometimes physically, but certainly spiritually, relationally, financially, they’re just starving.
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Will we not take out a piece of the fruit and say, taste and see that the Lord is good?
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I just look for opportunities to just show love, to encourage to be kind to someone. Just a couple days ago, I was at one of my favorite restaurants, and the waitress came up, lovely young Hispanic lady, and did look like she had a care in the world. Beautiful young lady, can I take your order? And they said, Yes, you sure May. And I talk. I always try to engage and make him laugh if I can. And I said, you know, when my food comes, I’m going to have I’m going to pray, and thank the Lord for His provision. Is there any way I can pray for you about anything? Oh, she just, I mean, she started to tear up, and she said, Well, pray for me at school. I’m kind of struggling, and pray for my health. And I said, I’m going to do that. And I asked her name, and I had prayer with her. Did I lead her to Christ? Did I present a sermon at No,
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that really, in a sense, is not my job. We know from scripture, it’s a process. First of all, no one comes to Christ unless they’re drawn by the Holy Spirit. One verse says, No one comes to the son unless the Father draws him. Another verse says, No one comes to the Father unless the son draws him. And the agent of drawing is always the Holy Spirit, who is also the one in charge of the regenerative process of salvation, but our job is to sow the seed. We trust that God is cultivated. We sow the seed. Someone else may water. Someone else, you know, plants waters, someone is there for the harvest. Now you and I know that sometimes we’re privileged to be there for the whole thing. We we start with someone in a conversation, and a few minutes later we’re praying with them to receive Christ. But I’d say that’s the exception.
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Generally, we’re just part of the process that God is up to in their lives. I love your philosophy that you mentioned just every day. Just move people just a step closer to Jesus. That’s so easy. It’s so simple. It’s so I just, I just love it. I wish I’d have heard that earlier, because for a lot of, a lot of years in my early Christian life, I felt almost this condemnation. I’m not saying enough, I’m not doing enough. I don’t know how to do that. I feel unqualified. I feel intimidated all these Yeah, you just like, Well, who am I to go tell someone? Yeah, it’s not about telling them, there’ll be a time to tell there’ll be informational exchange. It’s just showing them who Jesus is. And it’s so easy. Opportunities abound every single day. And I just, I’m so thrilled with
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you’ve always understood that in your ministry, we’ve known each other a long time, and I remember you saying through the years, the wax thing, that’s just the vehicle, that’s just the platform for me to to minister to others. And God has taken you to people that never gonna come to my church, never gonna come to my concert, you know. But in the recent years now, you see that that was all preparation, that was foundational, all that was just stuff that God was doing to prepare you for the ministry that he’s given you now, and I’m just I’m so excited, I’m so impassioned about it. Whatever amount of encouragement or ministry I’ve ever offered to you, believe me, it’s come back two fold from you to me to at this point in my life as a senior citizen on Social Security and all that stuff to be even more impassioned, more intentional, more specific.
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You know, if life is a mile run, I’m in the last lap, well into the last lap. So make it count. Make every moment, every day, every opportunity, count. That’s that’s what I’m about. That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it, yeah? Well, we’re in that. We’re in the sprint lap. This is this, is this, is it That’s right, we’re in that last lap we were learning, and we could hear technique down. But and you and I have, have have arrived at the same place through entirely different lives, but we’re saving this. Serve the same God. Absolutely, the Holy Spirit’s been perfected through my challenges, through your challenges, but your heart’s always been there. I
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here, I talk also,
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why? Why do we have what we have? We don’t deserve anything. We deserve nothing, right? And it’s not because we’re going.
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Good, and it’s not because we’ve been obedient and all that well, obedient, I would take that back. It is because we’ve been obedient, because from those days when we were together, you and I and Karen and Linda
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have kept God is our focus and and through thick and thin, no matter what’s going on, we’ve kept him. We’ve just trusted him, and we’ve learned from him, and we’ve had our failures and whatever, but all of it is mold us into what we are today, and it is God’s truth. It’s not our truth, and not my truth, not your truth. This is God’s truth, and his promise is true, and he says, when we live for His purpose. It’s interesting. I just did a podcast
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on this, love God and love your neighbors yourself. Think me, that’s what it is. We don’t need anything else. There’s There’s nothing he else He requires of us, and nothing. And when we get to attorney, nothing else will have any significance. It will not matter how many bottles of car wax I sold.
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Not going to matter. It doesn’t matter how many energies I support. It doesn’t matter how much money I give it away. None of that matters, right? The only currency in heaven is souls. We can work. Boy, I see people so exercising, aggressive, active Christians fighting for causes,
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right, fighting against abortion, whatever, to the point where it consumes them. It’s like it’d be it becomes their God, and they’re so militant, and they’re even hating the people on the other side of those issues that God loves as much as He loves us. And they’re seeing hate coming from a Christian God. God loves Karen, who might be this company. Score here. God loves the people we hate.
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Hate’s not part of our vocabulary. We have to love it no matter what, but when we do that, every so if we do if we just one more person gets to heaven because of our love, it’s worth it, amen, yeah, and sharing our faith should be and I’ve always known this intellectually, and I’ve never been I’ve never been afraid to share my faith. But again,
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there have been times I’ve missed opportunities because, you know, I felt that nudging of the Holy Spirit. All they’re going to think I’m crazy, or they I don’t know exactly what to say, whatever we find all these excuses. But the reality is, sharing our faith should be the most natural outflow reflex response of our relationship with the Lord, and if it’s not, then, and that’s what I’m doing this here. It’s like I’m checking myself. Okay, if there’s any reason why that isn’t just the natural response of my life. Daily, something’s wrong. There’s some area of pride or self centeredness or whatever, when there’s no condemnation in that, there’s therefore now no condemnation them that in Christ, Jesus, it’s just God’s loving discipline and instruction to say, Dallas, let’s check here, because all you gotta think about is just sharing my love, sharing who tell them, show them.
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You know you mentioned something before how we got to this place. And I’ll try to make this real short, but I think it’s beneficial for especially for people you’re a little older than I am, but I’m I’m in my late 70s,
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but even in the church, in the Christian community, we’ve let so much of the world’s philosophy bleed into what we do that it’s all about success, numbers, spreadsheets, achievement. You know, in the world of law, when you become a partner, if you’re in medicine, it’s when you get published. If you’re in sales, it’s quotas in music, like me, it’s certain standards of number one songs or charting or gold records or Grammys or whatever else. So I’ll just say this real quickly, thanks to the blessing of the Lord, there was a season where I achieved all that top of the mountain, but nobody stays on the top of the mountain forever. God brings us to the top of the mountain for that perspective. But then he brings us into the valley. Life is lived in the valley.
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So probably about 20 years ago, when, you know, the crowds weren’t there anymore, the records weren’t selling as much. I kind of jokingly say now, people come up and say, Hey, didn’t you used to be Dallas home? You’re kind of, you know, real quick,
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you know, yeah, if you’re in the body of Christ, you’ve certainly heard the song
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Rise again.
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I listen to Gaither channel on Sirius Radio, if that song comes up, at least, and every time yells, there’s Dallas
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dreams. Written so many songs, but the one that breaks me with just you and the guitars, here we are. Oh yeah, you’re fresh in your presence. Lifting holy hands to you. Lifting holy hands to you. Breaks. There came that time where all that quote success.
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What would seem to be success, that’s all kind of going out downhill, I don’t know, a number of years ago. I mean, I actually came to this point where I remember one day kind of saying, Am I just another old guy on the downhill side of life? Do I just ride off into the sunset like Roy Rogers and Dale Evans? And I was reading Charles Spurgeon devotional that year, morning and evening, which is one of my favorites. In that particular day, I read this from Charles Spurgeon. He said, When, when the children of Israel marched through the desert, the Levites marched out front. Many of us, in our youthful exuberance, once marched at the front and won many souls to Christ. But in our latter years, he calls us to a more important place, and he moves us to the rear, and we become as the tribe of Dan, and we pick up the wounded and the weary and the disenfranchised. And within a week of reading that, I was up in the mountains of, I think was in Payson, Arizona, actually, little church, about 50 people showed up. I mean, I’m going to sing a minister no matter who, but I’ve done concerts in Madison Square Garden, the LA sports arena, you name the venue. I’ve probably been there now, 50 people in the mountains of Arizona. There’s a little something in the back of my head saying, Man, you’ve come a long way down the mountain. But at the end of the concert, this lady brought this elderly gentleman who’s probably in his 80s. She said, this is Daddy. Daddy’s gone to church here all his life. Every Sunday, we say, Daddy, do you want to give your life to Jesus? No, she said, he’s heard every evangelist, every sermon. Do you want to give your life to Jesus? No, she said. Tonight, he turned to me and said, Do you think if I went down there, that man would pray with me to receive Christ,
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and he’s just crying his eyes out. Had a black suit on, nice little red tie, white shirt. He was dressed up, you know, and I was able to pray with him to receive Christ. But here’s the point. I got this sense of God speaking to my heart. We all have different ways. I didn’t hear an audible voice, but it was like God said, You see, all that other stuff was just preparation, preparation, all that stuff that the world calls success, that was just preparing the foundation. Now you’re qualified to get this guy. And the next night, about 50 miles down the road, the same thing, a little church. Elderly gentleman, his 80s came down. He said, Would you pray for me to receive Christ? It was kind of like God putting an exclamation point on it. This is what I really care about getting, the one. Remember the lost sheep leaves the 99 just go get that one that’s everything that’s our task on a daily basis. Find that one. Move that one a little closer to Jesus. Share the love of Jesus. Share peace, share kindness, goodness. May it lead to a conversation? May lead to leading them to Christ? Yeah, it may, but it may not. But you’re you’re to be part of the process, either the cultivator, the plates, or the water or the harvester. I
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was walking out of church had a huge service. It’s packed several 1000 people, and we’re down at the front. We’re always the last ones to leave. He wouldn’t really a little church for the last ones leave. We’re now, we’re going to big church. We’re the last ones leave. Last one to leave.
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As we’re going out the door, I looked back and there was a couple, an older couple, praying together. It’s a cavernous
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church balconies,
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and the musicians had all gone to clear off the stage. They’d cleared the trash. They’re very proficient in doing all that.
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And I’m almost to the door to go out, and I look back, I’m talking, engaging conversation. I look back, I see this couple.
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I told the lady I started I just got yanked Okay, I can’t do this. I saw him. I saw him a little bit when I walked by, but I was engaged in conversation, right? And then look back I saw I said, sorry. I just got yanked. We caught the nudge,
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incredible conversations. One of the church services, that moment lit me on fire. It’s what it does for us. Yeah, we have this privilege. We may be the first or the 20th person. We don’t know how many we’re we’re part of. It’s a team sport, all right. And back in the day, if I didn’t get him stayed in the spot, I was a failure. Where were you, God, when I needed you? What’s going wrong? Getting mad.
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It was so wrong. I my armor. God puts up with this. You know, he just shakes his head Exactly. Oh, and you know, you just that moment. And we don’t have to prepare for that. I don’t care what’s going on. We don’t have to prepare. In our secular conversation, we don’t prepare. I wonder what they’re going to see. Are they gonna talk about car wreck? What do I gotta say about car I know that he just comes out. It’s the Holy Spirit. So anyway, our theme is, move everybody, every day, close to Jesus. But beyond that, we say our goal is to ignite Christians, to ignite America of the revival, one person at a time.
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And you have some great stories on that, and we’re out of time. Can you come back? Let’s do another one of these. Can we do that? Sure we can do that. We’ll have to do another one of these. Okay, stay tuned, folks, and we’ll be back with more of my buddy, Dallas home. God bless you.
